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Posted: **Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:57 pm**

HI..
i have a Garmin 60csx that connect to usb port...
can i use this gps with vistumbler?
how i get the com port that the gps use?

sorry about my english.
thanks!

Posted: **Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:23 pm**

Originally posted by pelayo
HI..
i have a Garmin 60csx that connect to usb port...
can i use this gps with vistumbler?
how i get the com port that the gps use?

sorry about my english.
thanks!

I'm not sure about your exact GPS, but I think it should work.

To get the COM port, go to your device manager, and look in "Ports". There should be a com port assigned to your GPS.

Like this example I found (its XP but its the same thing)

Posted: **Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:58 pm**

thanks andrew.

unfortunately Garmin use own protocol over usb ports...
but i found a solution... I use Franson Gpsgate.
that soft is for sharing a gps with various softwares.
and automatically convert garmin protocol to NMEA.

and... found a problem too...
the coordinates showing in gps are not the same logged by vistumbler.
while gps show S31.37442 W64.14012 vistumbler show S 31.3775767|W 64.1343600
that represent a half mile difference aprox.

thank a lot for your help!

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:52 pm**

pelayo,

Did you ever get [the coordinates showing in gps are not the same logged by vistumbler] resolved?

I've noticed this on my installation too.

I thought perhaps it was due to a different datum, but I couldn't see how to change it.

FYI - I am using a DeLorme Earthmate GPS BT-20

When I use Street Atlas USA 2008 the coordinates are accurate in Street Atlas.

When I use Vistumbler the coordinates are off by ~1/2 mile.

Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:48 pm**

Originally posted by gps
pelayo,

Did you ever get [the coordinates showing in gps are not the same logged by vistumbler] resolved?

I've noticed this on my installation too.

I thought perhaps it was due to a different datum, but I couldn't see how to change it.

FYI - I am using a DeLorme Earthmate GPS BT-20

When I use Street Atlas USA 2008 the coordinates are accurate in Street Atlas.

When I use Vistumbler the coordinates are off by ~1/2 mile.

Did you try the latest beta? in 7.1 aand earlier i was pulling in any quardinates that came in as data(even if the data was void). In the beta i am only updating if the data shows as active, so this may help with its accuracy.

Latest beta --> http://forum.techidiots.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=20

Posted: **Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:11 am**

Andrew,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I was using ver 7.1. on my 29-Dec-2007 post. Moments ago, I downloaded ver 7.2 pre4 but unfortunately the coordinates from the gps are still not the same logged by Vistumbler. The coordinates are off by ~2000 feet.

I thought perhaps I needed to uninstall ver 7.1 but did not see an "uninstall.exe" or could not uninstall from the control panel. I assume I could just delete the directory c:\programs\vistumbler".

If that's the case then not removing ver 7.1 should not effect 7.2 pre4, right?

Posted: **Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:56 pm**

Are you using gpsgate? My coordinate are right on, but i'm not using a garmin gps. Maybe it has something to do with the conversion process

btw.. right now my program does not have a uninstall. It writes nothing into the registry. It keeps everything in a .ini files in the vistumbler directory. The vistumbler folder can just be deleted.

With new versions (other than beta) it overwrites the old files if you use the EXE installer. I will probrably have a proper installer in the next realease.

Posted: **Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:52 pm**

I am using gpsgate 2.5.

Initially I wasn't, but I thought that might help and installed it.

I get the same results, off by ~2000 feet.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:31 pm**

I think I am going to make a script to just dump your GPS results into a file so i can try to figure out whats going on. I'll get back to you on this.

Posted: **Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:44 pm**

OK, thanks

Posted: **Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:31 pm**

Ok, here is the script I was talking about.

1.)Edit 'settings.ini' to the correct port and baud
2.)Run GPS_DATA.EXE. This will create a GPS_DATA.TXT text file
3.)Press ESC to exit the program once you have some valid data in GPS_DATA.TXT

Valid data will look like this

$GPGGA,034305.889,4203.9183,N,07207.3337,W,1,04,2.2,87.6,M,-34.0,M,,0000*51 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222283
$GPGGA,034306.889,4203.9183,N,07207.3338,W,1,04,2.2,87.7,M,-34.0,M,,0000*5C - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222300
$GPGGA,034308.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3338,W,1,04,2.2,87.9,M,-34.0,M,,0000*55 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222300
$GPGGA,034309.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3339,W,1,04,2.2,88.2,M,-34.0,M,,0000*51 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222317
$GPGGA,034310.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3340,W,1,04,2.2,88.4,M,-34.0,M,,0000*51 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222333
$GPGGA,034311.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3341,W,1,04,2.2,88.7,M,-34.0,M,,0000*52 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222350
$GPGGA,034312.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3341,W,1,04,2.2,88.9,M,-34.0,M,,0000*5F - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222350
$GPGGA,034313.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3342,W,1,04,2.2,89.0,M,-34.0,M,,0000*55 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222367
$GPGGA,034314.000,4203.9183,N,07207.3342,W,1,04,2.2,89.1,M,-34.0,M,,0000*53 - N 42.0653050 - W 72.1222367

These results were 0.06 miles off according to google earth, but I only had the minimum of 4 satalites... Usually i get results that are right on. And according to the conversion information here, it is decoding it right. http://www.malaysiagis.com/related_tech ... ticle3.cfm

ddmm.mmmm to dd.dddd

Separate and save dd from the incoming latitude and longitude
Divide mm.mmmm by 60, yielding 0.dddd
Add the saved dd to 0.dddd, yielding dd.dddd

you can either post your GPS_DATA.txt on the forum or email me at [email protected]

Posted: **Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:07 pm**

OK, it appears that there is indeed a problem in the calculation.
Here's some data from the GPS_DATA.TXT file:

$GPGGA,202500.000,3248.55953,N,11708.07056,W,1,10,1.1,118.53,M,-35.7,M,,*51 - N 32.8099217 - W 117.1450933
$GPGGA,202501.000,3248.55955,N,11708.07055,W,1,09,1.2,118.56,M,-35.7,M,,*5B - N 32.8099250 - W 117.1450917
$GPGGA,202502.000,3248.55956,N,11708.07057,W,1,08,1.4,118.59,M,-35.7,M,,*51 - N 32.8099267 - W 117.1450950
$GPGGA,202503.000,3248.55958,N,11708.07058,W,1,10,1.1,118.60,M,-35.7,M,,*57 - N 32.8099300 - W 117.1450967
$GPGGA,202504.000,3248.55960,N,11708.07057,W,1,10,1.1,118.63,M,-35.7,M,,*57 - N 32.8099333 - W 117.1450950

Here's my calculation of the data:

Select fields from GPS_DATA.TXT
1st column=Time
2nd column=Lat
3rd column=Lon
4th column=North
5th column=Output-Lat
6th column=West
7th column=Output-Lon
202500 3248.55953 11708.07056 N 32.8099217 W 117.1450933
202501 3248.55955 11708.07055 N 32.8099250 W 117.1450917
202502 3248.55956 11708.07057 N 32.8099267 W 117.1450950
202503 3248.55958 11708.07058 N 32.8099300 W 117.1450967
202504 3248.55960 11708.07057 N 32.8099333 W 117.1450950

Excel calculation of GPS_DATA
1st column = Time
2nd column=((Lat-3200)/60)+32
3rd column=((Lon-11700)/60)+117
202500 32.809326 117.134509
202501 32.809326 117.134509
202502 32.809326 117.134510
202503 32.809326 117.134510
202504 32.809327 117.134510

Data from Street Atlas 2008 Plus
TIME ---- LATITUDE LONGITUDE ALT HEADG SPEED DATE
20:25:00 32.80933 -117.13451 389 0 0 1/15/2008
20:25:01 32.80933 -117.13451 389 0 0 1/15/2008
20:25:02 32.80933 -117.13451 389 0 0.1 1/15/2008
20:25:03 32.80933 -117.13451 389 0 0.1 1/15/2008
20:25:04 32.80933 -117.13451 389 0 0 1/15/2008

My calculated lat lon do not match with the Output-Lan Output-Lon from GPS_DATA.TXT, but it does match the data from Street Atlas.

It appears the the data is captured correctly, but the output is not calculated correctly.

What do you think?

btw, I had about 10 satellites.
The data from Street Atlas is right on.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 1:07 pm**

Well, thats actually good. At least we know it can be fixed. The code that converts the gps position was made by another person for the google earth circle generator http://www.techidiots.net/project-pages ... -generator we created together. Now that I understand how to convert it I think I can get this working

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:14 pm**

Ok, i think i fixed it.

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:16 pm**

here is vistumbler with the same change made. This is untested, but i think it should work. I will test when i get out of work

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 pm**

Just downloaded
GPS_LOG_DATA2.zip and Vistumbler7.21-pre-release.zip
And both are reporting coordinates accurately:smilegrin:

Thanks for your help!

Posted: **Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:34 pm**

Good I'm glad to hear it. Thanks for your help improving vistumbler. I would not have been able to fix it without your information.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:27 pm**

Hi Andrew,

Does the GPS need to be moving around for the positioning to work?

Thanks

TheRev.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:52 pm**

Originally posted by TheReverend
Hi Andrew,

Does the GPS need to be moving around for the positioning to work?

Thanks

TheRev.

No, as long as the GPS is getting a signal from at least 4 satalites it should work. Usually you need a clear view of the sky. If weather is bad is bad it can affect you getting a GPS fix also. You do not need to be moving to get results

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:00 pm**

Hmmm, I can see the GPS reports coming through next to the 'Graph 2' button, but nothing in the long, lat, fields. Any ideas please?

Thanks

TheRev.

Posted: **Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:06 pm**

Are you getting a location in any other software?

could you try to catch the data next to graph 2 and post a screenshot? or I may be easier to get a screenshot of Extra --> GPS details

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:11 pm**

Andrew,

Thanks for the app. Great job. I see I was not alone when moving to Vista. Has anyone tried the MapPoint interface with Vistumbler? I have tried but AutoIT is new to me. I haven't quite figured it out yet but I will get there.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:47 pm**

I am not familiar with mappoint, i'll have to check it out

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:46 pm**

Hi Andrew,

I had a bit of trouble with the connection to my GPS being lost entirely. I will run the software again and send you the screenshot if it doesn't work out. If it does work out however, I'll let you know too.

Thanks

TheRev

Posted: **Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:17 am**

Did a reboot fix the problem? If it did next time in happens see if there is a Vistumbler.exe still running in process manager after you close vistumbler. Maybe GPS froze and the program thinks the port is in use

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